Nov 25 17:04:12 Kevin_Kofler	Time for the KDE SIG meeting, who's present?
Nov 25 17:04:26 *	jreznik is here
Nov 25 17:04:28 *	lvillani present
Nov 25 17:04:41 svahl	present
Nov 25 17:05:41 than	present
Nov 25 17:06:00 Stalwart	me too
Nov 25 17:06:24 *	Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 - Agenda
Nov 25 17:06:43 rdieter	here (mostly)
Nov 25 17:06:44 Kevin_Kofler	Before we start: is there anything you want discussed?
Nov 25 17:06:52 Kevin_Kofler	The agenda is a bit empty today...
Nov 25 17:06:54 SMParrish_Mobile	sorru I'm late  but I'm here
Nov 25 17:06:56 Kevin_Kofler	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25
Nov 25 17:07:21 Stalwart	4.2 progress?
Nov 25 17:07:29 Kevin_Kofler	I already added that one. :-)
Nov 25 17:07:38 Stalwart	o ok
Nov 25 17:08:33 than	enable webcollage in kdeartwork again
Nov 25 17:09:11 Kevin_Kofler	Added.
Nov 25 17:09:17 Kevin_Kofler	Let's start then.
Nov 25 17:09:25 *	Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 - Fedora 10 released
Nov 25 17:09:32 rdieter	party!
Nov 25 17:09:43 Kevin_Kofler	OK, not much to discuss here, I think: Fedora 10 has been released!
Nov 25 17:09:57 dgilmore	rdieter: i could never find the SCM for knetworkmanager4
Nov 25 17:10:00 Stalwart	\o/
Nov 25 17:10:08 ltinkl	where's the champagne?
Nov 25 17:10:09 SMParrish_Mobile	yep the bits and beer are flowing
Nov 25 17:10:13 Stalwart	i have tea and cookies!
Nov 25 17:10:14 dgilmore	rdieter: i really want it fo F-11
Nov 25 17:10:34 dgilmore	ltinkl: no time for champagne,  F-11 needs worked on ;)
Nov 25 17:10:36 jreznik	ltinkl: I had one party hamburger
Nov 25 17:10:44 rdieter	dgilmore: nod, by then kde-4.2+ should have native nm plasma applet, but more the merrier
Nov 25 17:11:01 *	ltinkl goes to check the fridge
Nov 25 17:11:09 Kevin_Kofler	I think the systray version of KNM 4 got dropped in favor of the plasmoid.
Nov 25 17:11:29 ltinkl	Kevin_Kofler: I'd prefer the systray way
Nov 25 17:11:33 jreznik	first mockup of this plasmoid was awful
Nov 25 17:11:39 Kevin_Kofler	The plasmoid can be put into the systray.
Nov 25 17:11:43 Kevin_Kofler	(in 4.2)
Nov 25 17:11:46 ltinkl	ah right
Nov 25 17:11:47 jreznik	ltinkl: it's not problem for plasmoid
Nov 25 17:12:00 jreznik	you can put it on desktop or panel
Nov 25 17:12:12 jreznik	you should check my desktop user guide :)
Nov 25 17:12:13 Stalwart	plasmoid is way to go if you want knm to be INTEGRATED
Nov 25 17:12:25 Stalwart	to poll network status from other applets for example
Nov 25 17:12:32 Kevin_Kofler	It's also what's being included into upstream KDE.
Nov 25 17:12:40 Kevin_Kofler	And it uses NM through Solid, not directly.
Nov 25 17:12:58 Kevin_Kofler	So Solid gets to know all the information it knows as well.
Nov 25 17:13:01 Stalwart	and solid uses nm through hal?
Nov 25 17:13:08 Kevin_Kofler	No.
Nov 25 17:13:16 Kevin_Kofler	Networking is separate.
Nov 25 17:13:44 Stalwart	ok, i see now
Nov 25 17:14:01 Kevin_Kofler	Somewhere in the process HAL is used to enumerate network devices (I think NM handles that, the Solid HAL backend might be doing it too), but managing network connections is NM's job.
Nov 25 17:14:10 Kevin_Kofler	Solid has a NM backend.
Nov 25 17:15:04 rdieter	slashdot: woo http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/25/1517233
Nov 25 17:17:25 jreznik	so what's the plan for f11? ;) of course 4.2, but any hot feature?
Nov 25 17:17:42 Kevin_Kofler	KOffice 2 hopefully.
Nov 25 17:18:04 Tuju	hot, i'm sure you'll burn your fingers with Akonadi ;)
Nov 25 17:18:12 dgilmore	nm uses dbus
Nov 25 17:18:15 Kevin_Kofler	NM plasmoid and PowerDevil by default.
Nov 25 17:19:02 jreznik	and maybe finally Amarok 2
Nov 25 17:19:10 Kevin_Kofler	We already have that in F10. :-)
Nov 25 17:19:11 jreznik	or 2.x
Nov 25 17:19:19 jreznik	but it's still RC
Nov 25 17:19:23 Kevin_Kofler	Well, the beta, with the RC now queued for testing.
Nov 25 17:19:26 than	Policykit support
Nov 25 17:19:30 jreznik	with many missing features
Nov 25 17:19:30 Kevin_Kofler	The final will show up in updates.
Nov 25 17:19:49 Kevin_Kofler	than: Right.
Nov 25 17:20:06 Stalwart	new artwork AGAIN of course
Nov 25 17:20:19 Stalwart	likely worse than solar
Nov 25 17:21:03 jreznik	I hope for F11 final theme will be choosed earlier...
Nov 25 17:21:13 jreznik	and then I can prepare much more
Nov 25 17:21:16 *	SMParrish_Mobile likes solar
Nov 25 17:21:18 Stalwart	should we ask art team to have link to previous release artwork just like we have with codenames?
Nov 25 17:21:30 Kevin_Kofler	My ConsoleKit shutdown hack in kdebase-workspace should also be using PolicyKit, by the way. Right now it'll just silently kick you to GDM if you don't have permissions to shutdown or restart.
Nov 25 17:21:33 jreznik	like Plasma theme
Nov 25 17:21:42 Kevin_Kofler	But without the hack it wouldn't support shutdown or restart with GDM at all.
Nov 25 17:21:45 jreznik	pages for Konqueror etc...
Nov 25 17:22:38 Kevin_Kofler	I need to get PolicyKit support in there, then get the patch upstreamed (another fight with ossi, fun...).
Nov 25 17:23:19 *	Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 - KDE 4.1.3
Nov 25 17:23:26 Kevin_Kofler	Next topic: KDE 4.1.3.
Nov 25 17:23:36 *	Kick_ hat die Verbindung getrennt ("Client exiting")
Nov 25 17:23:44 Kevin_Kofler	So the current status is that it's queued for stable for F10, F9 and (for the few relevant parts) F8.
Nov 25 17:24:12 Kevin_Kofler	The F8 update is just libs and Dolphin, as usual.
Nov 25 17:24:15 *	MathStuf (n=MathStuf@rattata-55.dynamic.rpi.edu) hat #fedora-meeting betreten
Nov 25 17:25:17 jreznik	ok
Nov 25 17:25:19 Kevin_Kofler	rdieter updated the kdegraphics build today to fix some missing files in -libs.
Nov 25 17:25:41 Kevin_Kofler	Is there anything to discuss about 4.1.3 or should we move on?
Nov 25 17:27:23 jreznik	Kevin_Kofler: we can move on, no objections
Nov 25 17:27:51 *	Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 - KDE 4.1.80/4.2
Nov 25 17:27:59 Kevin_Kofler	Next topic: KDE 4.1.80/4.2
Nov 25 17:28:07 Kevin_Kofler	This one is probably more interesting. :-)
Nov 25 17:29:05 jreznik	Yes, it's interesting... What's current state?
Nov 25 17:29:24 *	lvillani is working on kdepim now
Nov 25 17:29:32 than	KDE-4.1.80 is now in CVS
Nov 25 17:29:50 lvillani	and the parallel_devel patch must be be fixed
Nov 25 17:30:08 Kevin_Kofler	Right. I'm going to work on the parallel_devel stuff today.
Nov 25 17:30:19 *	rdieter hopes we can try to upstream some/most of the the parallel_devel stuff
Nov 25 17:30:29 lvillani	I prepared a dirty replacement, but I sent all the required stuff to Kevin_Kofler ;)
Nov 25 17:30:59 Kevin_Kofler	The parts which are really hard to update when the build setup changes (like it did in 4.2) are the ugly hacks which upstream will never accept.
Nov 25 17:31:12 Kevin_Kofler	The infamous /usr/lib/kde4/devel hack.
Nov 25 17:31:18 rdieter	nod
Nov 25 17:31:30 Kevin_Kofler	Renaming kconfig_compiler and makekdewidgets is the easy part.
Nov 25 17:32:30 Kevin_Kofler	But we can expect this to be a one-time occurrence as far as the near future.
Nov 25 17:32:48 Kevin_Kofler	KDE 4.3 will still use cmake 2.6, so I don't expect them to change things radically again.
Nov 25 17:32:51 MathStuf	want to do the krazy-licensecheck move into krazy for 4.2? or do it earlier?
Nov 25 17:34:32 Kevin_Kofler	Hmmm, I don't know.
Nov 25 17:35:26 MathStuf	it does internal checks for krazy, so if i put it into krazy, it'll be a lot less as well
Nov 25 17:38:56 Kevin_Kofler	Well, I think it should go into krazy.
Nov 25 17:39:04 Kevin_Kofler	Let's do it in F11 Rawhide?
Nov 25 17:39:09 MathStuf	alright
Nov 25 17:39:13 Kevin_Kofler	I can drop the file from kdesdk.
Nov 25 17:39:14 Tuju	Kevin_Kofler: any plans to kdepim lib requirements?
Nov 25 17:39:23 Kevin_Kofler	Tuju: What lib requirements?
Nov 25 17:39:34 Kevin_Kofler	libopensync?
Nov 25 17:39:41 Tuju	well, you know where the swamp is :)
Nov 25 17:39:43 Kevin_Kofler	We need to talk to its maintainer.
Nov 25 17:39:52 Kevin_Kofler	(Andreas Bierfert)
Nov 25 17:40:05 Tuju	is the akonadi schedule fixed already?
Nov 25 17:40:08 MathStuf	its a perl script, but i think I'll just replace it with a bash script
Nov 25 17:42:23 Kevin_Kofler	I really don't know what's up with Akonadi.
Nov 25 17:42:35 Kevin_Kofler	I think we'll need it updated to build kdepim 4.2.
Nov 25 17:42:45 Kevin_Kofler	We have 1.0.0 and I'm sure that's too old.
Nov 25 17:43:43 rdieter	we'll surely find out... the hard way.
Nov 25 17:44:52 ltinkl	http://akonadi.omat.nl/akonadi-1.0.80.tar.bz2
Nov 25 17:44:58 ltinkl	this is what we need
Nov 25 17:45:10 Kevin_Kofler	ltinkl: OK, can you import it then? :-)
Nov 25 17:45:15 ltinkl	has been mentioned on kde-packager
Nov 25 17:45:18 ltinkl	Kevin_Kofler: sure
Nov 25 17:45:24 lvillani	I already have bumped specfile awaiting for commit
Nov 25 17:45:41 Kevin_Kofler	We also need to figure out what's the state of strigi and soprano.
Nov 25 17:46:09 Kevin_Kofler	At least for strigi, 0.5.11.1 is apparently enough (we have 0.5.11, we might need the .1 bugfix).
Nov 25 17:46:15 Kevin_Kofler	And I have no idea when 0.6 will be out.
Nov 25 17:46:40 Kevin_Kofler	For soprano, the messaging isn't clear about whether 2.2 will be out with KDE 4.2 and whether we should upgrade it now or not.
Nov 25 17:46:43 lvillani	my builds in mock revealed that 4.1.80 builds with our version of both soprano and strigi
Nov 25 17:46:58 lvillani	I was about to do the same tests for akonadi and kdepim
Nov 25 17:47:02 Kevin_Kofler	So let's keep the existing versions for now?
Nov 25 17:47:09 Kevin_Kofler	I think akonadi really needs upgrading.
Nov 25 17:47:14 Kevin_Kofler	A lot of work going on there.
Nov 25 17:47:43 Kevin_Kofler	Upgrading soprano might be useful too, unfortunately they aren't too talkative about their schedules.
Nov 25 17:48:00 *	ltinkl going to update akonadi after the meeting
Nov 25 17:48:13 Kevin_Kofler	Last news was that it'll release with 4.2 though. So it might be useful to upgrade it.
Nov 25 17:48:24 Kevin_Kofler	As for strigi, I have absolutely no idea when they plan to release 0.6.
Nov 25 17:48:40 Kevin_Kofler	No talks about schedules anywhere, web page horribly outdated, no mailing list discussions either.
Nov 25 17:49:23 lvillani	ltinkl, I'm going to drop my bumped specfile then
Nov 25 17:49:28 Kevin_Kofler	Suggested action item: somebody should talk to upstream KDE about kdesupport schedule communication.
Nov 25 17:50:03 lvillani	oh, I also saw automoc failing randomly (that was weird)
Nov 25 17:50:17 lvillani	automoc or moc
Nov 25 17:51:17 Kevin_Kofler	So can we move on? There's one more topic on the agenda.
Nov 25 17:51:23 rdieter	I understood that requisite kdesupport bits would be tagged/released along with releases
Nov 25 17:52:09 rdieter	move on...
Nov 25 17:52:21 Kevin_Kofler	But what about upgrades which aren't strictly needed to build 4.2, but could be useful for F11 anyway, like Soprano 2.2?
Nov 25 17:52:39 *	Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 - enable webcollage in kdeartwork again
Nov 25 17:52:47 Kevin_Kofler	Well, next topic: enable webcollage in kdeartwork again
Nov 25 17:53:02 Kevin_Kofler	So webcollage has been fixed not to display obscene images by default.
Nov 25 17:53:10 Kevin_Kofler	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=472061
Nov 25 17:53:12 buggbot	Bug 472061: high, medium, ---, mtasaka@ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp, RELEASE_PENDING, webcollage screen saver displaying pornography
Nov 25 17:53:29 Kevin_Kofler	So we can reenable it in kdeartwork.
Nov 25 17:53:44 Kevin_Kofler	Any objections there?
Nov 25 17:54:18 SMParrish_Mobile	none here
Nov 25 17:55:54 than	it seems no objections here -> enable it again
Nov 25 17:56:41 Kevin_Kofler	Somehow calling it "web collage" is a bit of a misnomer though with that "fix".
Nov 25 17:59:47 jreznik	how can I fix it to show only p0rn? :)
Nov 25 17:59:56 Kevin_Kofler	;-)
Nov 25 18:00:19 Kevin_Kofler	Use --directory with the directory of your pr0n collection? ;-)
Nov 25 18:00:28 than	jreznik: it*s easy to enable it again ;-)
Nov 25 18:02:20 ltinkl	we need F10 adult edition, esp. for jreznik :p
Nov 25 18:02:35 jreznik	spin :)
Nov 25 18:04:53 Kevin_Kofler	Conflicts: sugar ;-)
Nov 25 18:05:41 Kevin_Kofler	Well, we're over time already.
Nov 25 18:05:56 Kevin_Kofler	Anything else to discuss? Otherwise let's wrap it up here.
Nov 25 18:06:07 *	Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 - open discussion
Nov 25 18:10:46 Kevin_Kofler	OK, that was it for today.